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Anwar Ibrahim Sodomy II – The Recorded Truth – 31 Mei 2010 May 31, 2010

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Mahkamah Tinggi Jenayah KL (3)

***** The English Version after this ++++++++ in Blue

Dihadapan Yang Arif Dato’ Mohamad Zabidin Mohd Diah
Pihak-pihak:    Seperti terdahulu [Andy Leong dan S. Suppiah bagi Majlis Peguam]
ZI untuk SP1
[09:35 am]

JB:     Panggil kes
MY:     Kes untuk sambung balas SP1. Memperkenalkan pihak-pihak.
KS:     The appeal once again for the list of witnesses. I make this appeal to MY, this is for a fair trial. I’m not asking YA to make a ruling. We have made various attempts to get the owner of the condominium. But is unable to do so. We must have access. The PP can help us, I’m asking MY to help us. We are unable to contact the owner of the condominium. It is vital for the cross. We’re not delaying, no delaying tactic. If YA is of the view it is not necessary to go the site, we have make various attempt to go to the scene. Can I get respond from MY?

YA:     Are you asking this from the court?
KS:     Not a ruling but a direction to the Investigation Officer. Maybe later visit to the scene.
MY:     About the list of witnesses, although we have not given them the list, I’ve said verbally to KS and PC about the list of witnesses. With regard to visit to the scene, we are also having a problem to locate Hassanuddin, Hassanuddin is a close friend of AI.

AI [from the dock]:     He’s scared, you know the system.
MY:     It’s not we have a free access to the condominium []
KS:    []
YA:     We’ll make an arrangement for KS to go to the scene. About the list of witnesses, nothing can be done here.
KS:     We accept that.

SP1 – bersumpah semula
KS:     You’re under oath, you know the consequences?
A:    Yes

Q:    What is the name of your sister?
A:     Saidati

Q:     Azlan bapa?
A:    Ya

Q:     Bila Azlan bercerai dengan ibu?
A:    Saya darjah 1, umur 7 tahun

Q:     Selepas bercerai itu ada contact dengan kamu dan sister?
A:    Ada

Q:     Itu tidak benar bukan?
A:    Benar

Q:     Saiful dan Saidati diabaikan?
A:    Tidak benar

Q:     You are a good muslim?
A:    I’ll try my best

Q:    Ada minum arak?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Ada bila-bila masa melakukan zina?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Saidati dah berkahwin?
A:    Tahun lepas dia dibawa lari ke Thailand, saya tidak tahu dia berkahwin atau tidak. Saya tidak pasti samada perkahwinan itu sah atau tidak. Saya tidak tahu dia kahwin atau tidak.

Q:     Ada kenal Faiz bin Khairi?
A:    Kenal, dia yang bawa lari adik saya.

Q:     Ada surat akuan dari Faiz bin Khairi. Kami ada surat akuan itu.
A:    Saya tidak tahu

Q:    We don’t want to call your sister sebagai saksi, we want to spare her, please tell the truth.
A:    Yes

Q:     Or your father for that matter?
A:    Yes

Q:     Pada 24 Jun 2008, ada berjumpa dengan Timbalan Perdana Menteri?
A:    Ada

Q:     Ada buat aduan pada dia?
A:    Ya

Q:     A very serious complaint?
A:    Ya

Q:     Iaitu kamu diliwat dengan tidak kerelaan awak?
A:    Ya[][]

Q:     Adakah PM memberikan apa-apa nasihat?
A:    Beliau agak sceptical tetapi lepas dicerita dengan detail, PM kata tidak boleh buat apa-apa sebab ini masalah peribadi dengan AI dan ianya melibatkan masa hadapan saya.

Q:    Aduan yang sama dibuat kepada Radwan?
A:    Ya

Q:     Aduan yang sama kepada Ezam?
A:    Ya

Q:     Diliwat tanpa kerelaan?
A:    Ya

Q:     Dato’ Mumtaz?
A:    Ya

Q:    Ada orang lain?
A:    Tuah

Q:    Lain?
A:    Rahimi dan seorang guru agama

Q:     Siapa Ustaz ini?
A:    Saya tak tahu nama dia, dia guru agama pakcik Tuah saya.

Q:     Ada beri nama semasa siasatan?
A:    Saya panggil Atuk

Q:     Orang ini wujud?
A:    Kalau tidak silap, dua tiga bulan lepas dia dah meninggal
[Galeri awam ketawa]

Q:     Ada buat laporan polis mengenai aduan yang dibuat kepada Timbalan PM dan orang-orang lain tadi?
A:    Ada

Q:     Insiden yang diceritakan kepada Timbalan PM, Radwan, Ezam dan Mumtaz?

A:    Kejadian kali terakhir buat laporan polis merangkumi semua kejadian.

Q:     Did you lodged a police report?
A:    Ada

Q:     Bukan P3, sebelum itu?
A:    Sebelum itu tiada aduan

Q:     Tiada sesiapa nasihat untuk buat report?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Jika apa yang diceritakan tadi, iaitu membuat aduan serius, diliwat tanpa rela kepada Timbalan PM, mengikut undang-undang seksyen 13 Kanun Tatacara Jenayah, Timbalan PM diwajibkan buat laporan polis, do you know that?
A:    Saya tidak tahu

Q:     Jika Timbalan PM tidak buat laporan itu, dia melakukan satu kesalahan di bawah seksyen 202 Kanun Keseksaan? Timbalan PM boleh dipenjarakan?
A:    Saya tidak tahu

Q:     Jika tidak tahu saya beri ajaran sekarang, apa yang dinyatakan oleh kamu adalah sesuatu yang serius, Timbalan PM tidak buat laporan polis, kamu diliwat dengan tidak kerelaan

MY:     Ini soalan atau kenyataan?
YA:     Tanya soalan
KS:     This is soalan, this is not a comment
YA:     Teruskan

Q:     Apa yang dinyatakan kepada Timbalan PM adalah serius, dia boleh dipenjarakan?
A:    Saya tak tahu

Q:     Akibat dari aduan kamu, Timbalan PM tidak lodge report, Rodzwan, Ezam, Dato  Mumtaz tidak buat report, akibat apa yang kamu ceritakan?
A:    Saya tidak tahu

MY:     Seksyen 13 does not include s.377B.
KS:     You are not aware of the amendment, how can you be [][]. MY said that is not the law. He’s a Senior DPP, he’s the next AG.
MY:     I think KS is [][]
YA:     Stand down
[10:01 am]
[10:05 am]

Mahkamah bersidang semula
MY:     Parties as before. Saya minta maaf, I conceded there is an amendment to the provision of the law.
YA:     [][]
KS:     S.377C is included
MY:     My only request is less statement
YA:     Teruskan

Q:     Kamu ada angkat sumpah di masjid?
A:    Ada

Q:     Bila?
A:    Dalam bulan Ogos 2008

Q:     Berapa hari sebelum pilihanraya kecil di Permatang Pauh?
A:    Tidak ingat

Q:     Very near?
A:    Yes[]

Q:     Sepuluh hari sebelum by-election?
A:     Tidak pasti.

Q:    Sehari sebelum hari penamaan calon?
A:    Dah dekat dengan penamaan calon tetapi saya tak pasti berapa dekat

Q:     Kenapa pilih tarikh itu?
A:    Saya nak buat lebih awal, seawal Julai

Q:     Kenapa tarikh itu?
A:    Coincident. Saya nak angkat sumpah awal tetapi tak dapat [][]

Q:     Saya katakan ianya dirancang?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Untuk tentukan AI kalah dalam pilihanraya itu?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Itu tujuan?
A:    Tidak

Q:     26 Jun, apa jadi hari itu?
A:    Saya telah diliwat oleh AI

Q:     27 pergi ke Ibu Pejabat PKR?
A:    Pagi 27

Q:     27 petang ke kediaman AI?
A:    Lepas sembayang Jumaat saya ke pejabat dan petang ke rumah AI

Q:     Ada kata bahawa kamu diliwat, ada beberapa peluang melarikan diri?
A:    Ya

Q:     Tetapi tidak digunakan, buat laporan polis, menjerit, pergi ke Guard house, tetapi tidak buat apa-apa?
A:    Ya
KS:     The rest of evidence relating to the scene, we got to put our defence as early as possible
YA:     [][]

Pemeriksaan Semula
MY:     Rujuk IDD16 laporan PUSRAWI, muka surat kamu diperiksa oleh Dr Osman, ada Dr. Osman buat nota seingat ingatan kamu?
A:    Saya tidak ingat

Q:     Ada kamu beritahu semasa diperiksa?
A:    Sebelum diperiksa saya kata saya sakit perut dan dubur

Q:     Ketika pemeriksaan?
A:    Ketika beliau sedang periksa saya kata saya diliwat dan saya nak jalankan pemeriksaan kesihatan dan beliau terus hentikan pemeriksaan

Q:     Ada beritahu siapa yang liwat?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Ada beritahu apa-apa lagi?
A:    Minta pendapat

Q:     Ada beritahu dimasukkan dengan objek plastik?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Dr HKL, polis?
A:    Tidak

Q:     IDD16, ada pernah lihat?
A:    Ya dalam internet

Q:     Tahu apa yang ditulis?
A:    Saya tak faham tulisan Dr
Q:     Di mahkamah ini?
A:    Masa cross ini pertama kali melihat IDD16

Q:     Catitan tentang kemasukan objek plastik adakah itu benar?
A:    Tidak

Q:     [][][[]
A:     Tulisan tidak jelas tetapi saya tidak menyatakan ada kemasukan objek plastik pada Dr.

Q:     Interview dengan Malaysiakini, kamu kata kali pertama berlaku dan tidak betulkan?
A:    Kejadian yang berlaku adalah pertama kali dalam hidup saya yang dilakukan oleh AI

Q:     Mumtaz, Ezam tidak nasihat buat laporan polis?
A:    Tidak

Q:     Boleh beritahu kenapa?
A:     Mereka bimbang tentang masa depan saya kerana saya masih muda

MY:     Itu saja soalan saya, pohon dilepaskan subject to recall
YA:     Dilepaskan subject to recall

MY:     Pohon tangguh 2 minit. Saya bercadang saksi seterusnya adalah Dr.
KS:     Our expert need to be here, we need time to get them down here
[Pihak-pihak berbincang]
YA:     Stand down
[10:20 am]

[10:41 am]
MY, NH, KS, SN, PC, CV, Ram Karpal masuk ke kamar hakim.
[10:55 am]
Pihak-pihak keluar dari kamar hakim
Kes ditangguhkan ke jam 2.15 petang untuk pihak pembelaan sahaja ke tempat kejadian.

[02:30 pm]
MY, NH, KS, PC, SN, RK masuk ke kamar hakim

[02:40 pm]
Pihak-pihak keluar dari kamar hakim

[02:42 pm]

JB: Kes dipanggil semula
MY: pihak-pihak seperti tadi
KS: Only tomorrow we can access to the condo at 2.30 pm. Suggest that we start at 3.30 pm to complete SP1 evidence.
MY: Tiada bantahan
YA: Sambung esok 3.30 pm

+++++++ The Full English Version +++++++

High Court, Kuala Lumpur (3)

Before YA Dato’ Mohamad Zabidin Mohd Diah

Parties :    As before [Andy Leong and S. Suppiah for Bar Council]

ZI for SP1

[09:35 am]

JB:     Case is called

MY:     Continuance of cross-examination of SP1. Introduces parties.

KS:     The appeal once again for the list of witnesses. I make this appeal to MY, this is for a fair trial. I’m not asking YA to make a ruling. We have made various attempts to get the owner of the condominium. But unable to do so. We must have access. The PP can help us, I’m asking MY to help us. We unable to contact the owner of the condominium. It is vital for the cross. We’re not delaying, no delaying tactic. If YA is of the view it is not necessary to go the site, we have make various attempt to go to the scene. Can I get respond from MY?

YA:     Are you asking this from the court?

KS:     Not a ruling but a direction to the IO. Maybe later visit to the scene.

MY:     About the list of witnesses, although we have not given them the list, I’ve said verbally to

KS and PC about the list of witnesses. With regard to visit to the scene, we are also having a problem to locate Hassanuddin, Hassanuddin  is a close friend of AI

AI [from the dock]:     He’s scared, you know the system.

MY:     It’s not we have a free access to the condo []

KS:    []

YA:     We’ll make an arrangement for KS to go to the scene. About the list of witnesses, nothing can be done here.

KS:     We accept that.

SP1 – retakes oath

KS:     You’re under oath, you know the consequences?

A:    Yes

Q:    What is the name of your sister?

A:     Saidati

Q:     Azlan is your father?

A:    Yes

Q:     When did Azlan divorce your mother?

A:    I was in Standard 1, 7 years old.

Q:     After the divorce, was he in contact with you and your sister?

A:    Yes

Q:     That’s not true?

A:    It’s true

Q:     Saiful dan Saidati were neglected?

A:    Not true

Q:     You are a good muslim?

A:    I’ll try my best

Q:    Do you drink alcohol?

A:    No

Q:     Have you at anytime committed illicit sexs?

A:    No

Q:     Saidati is married?

A:    Last year she ran off to Thailand, I don’t know if she got married or not. I do not know if any marriage there is considered legal. I don’t know if she is married or not.

Q:     Do you know Faiz bin Khairi?

A:    I do – he is the one whom my sister ran off with

Q:     There is a confession from Faiz bin Khairi. We have that confession.

A:    I do not know

Q:    We don’t want to call your sister sebagai saksi, we want to spare her, please tell the truth.

A:    Yes

Q:     Or your father for that matter?

A:    Yes

Q:     On 24 June 2008, did you meet the Deputy PM?

A:    I did

Q:     Did you lodge any complaint with him?

A:    Yes

Q:     A very serious complaint?

A:    Yes

Q:     That you were sodomized without consent?

A:    Yes

Q:     Did the DPM give you any advise?

A:    He was rather sceptical but after being given the details, he said there was nothing that could be done as that was a personal matter with AI and it involves my future.

Q:    The same complaint was lodged with Radwan?

A:    Yes

Q:     The same complaint was lodged with Ezam?

A:    Yes

Q:     Sodomized without consent?

A:    Yes

Q:     Dato’ Mumtaz?

A:    Yes

Q:    Anyone else?

A:    Tuah

Q:    Others?

A:    Rahimi and a religious teacher

Q:     Who is this Ustaz?

A:    I don’t know his name – he is Uncle Tuah’s religious teacher.

Q:     Did you give a name during the report?

A:    I called him Atuk

Q:     This person exists?

A:    If I’m not mistaken, he passed away 2 or 3 months ago.

[Laughter from the public gallery]

Q:     Did you report about lodging the complaint with the DPM and the others as mentioned earlier?

A:    I did

Q:     The incident that was told to DPM, Radwan, Ezam and Mumtaz?

A:    The last report included all the complaints lodged

Q:     Did you lodged a police report?

A:    I did

Q:     Not P3, before that?

A:    No before

Q:     Nobody advised you to lodge a report?

A:    No

Q:     If what you have said, about lodging such a serious complaint about being sodomized without consent to the DPM, under Sec 13 of the Criminal Act, the DPM is obliged to lodge a police report, do you know that?

A:    No, I do not know that

Q:     If the DPM didn’t make a police report, he would be committing a crime under Sec 202. DPM could be jailed?

A:    I do not know.

Q:     If you don’t know, I’m telling you now. What you have said is serious. DPM didn’t make a police report, that you were sodomized without consent.

MY:     Is that a question or a statement?

YA:     Ask questions.

KS:     This is a question, this is not a comment

YA:     Carry on

Q:     What was told to the DPM was serious, he could be imprisoned?

A:    I do not know.

Q:     Following you complaint, DPM didn’t lodge a police report. Rodzwan, Ezam, Dr. Mumtaz didn’t lodge police reports, following your complaints?

A:    I do not know

MY:     Section13 does not include s.377B.

KS:     You are not aware of the amendment, how can you be [][]. MY said that is not the law. He’s a Senior DPP, he’s the next AG.

MY:     I think KS is [][]

YA:     Stand down

[10:01 am]

[10:05 am]

Court in session

MY:     Parties as before. I apologize, I conceded there is an amendment to the provision of the law.

YA:     [][]

KS:     S.377C is included

MY:     My only request is less statement

YA:     Proceed

Q:     You took an oath in the mosque?

A:    Yes

Q:     When?

A:    August 2008

Q:     How many days before the by-election in Permatang Pauh?

A:    I cannot remember

Q:     Very near?

A:    Yes []

Q:     10 days before the by-election?

A:     I am not certain

Q:    A day before nomination day?

A:    It was close to nomination day but I am not certain.

Q:     Why did you choose that date?

A:    I wanted to do it sooner, as early as July

Q:     Why that date?

A:    Coincident. I wanted to do it earlier but I wasn’t able to

Q:     I put it to you that it was planned?

A:    No

Q:     To ensure that AI is defeated in the election?

A:    No

Q:     That’s the motive?

A:    No

Q:     26 June, what happened on that day?

A:    I was sodomized by AI

Q:     27 you went to the PKR HQ?

A:    Morning of 27

Q:     27 evening to the residence of AI?

A:    After Friday prayers, I went to the office and then in the evening to AI’s residence

Q:     You mentioned that you were sodomized, were there opportunities for you to escape?

A:    Yes

Q:     But you didn’t use it, didn’t make a police report, shout, go to the Guardhouse, didn’t do anything?

A:    Correct

KS:     The rest of evidence relating to the scene, we got to put our defence as early as possible

YA:     [][]

Re-examination of witness

MY:     Refer to IDD16 PUSRAWI report, while you were being examined by Dr Osman, did he take any notes, as far as you can remember?

A:    I can’t remember

Q:     Did you tell him while you were being examined?

A:    I told him I had a pain in my stomach and my anus before the examination.

Q:     During the examination?

A:    While he was examining me, I told him I was sodomized and wanted a medical examination, and then he immediately stopped the examination.

Q:     Did you tell who sodomized you?

A:    No

Q:     Did you say anything else?

A:    I asked for opinion

Q:     Did you say you were penetrated with a plastic object?

A:    No

Q:     To the Dr at HKL, police?

A:    No

Q:     IDD16, have you seen it?

A:    Yes, on the internet

Q:     Do you know what is written?

A:    I can’t read doctors’ writing.

Q:     In this court?

A:    During the cross-examination, it was the 1st time I saw IDD16

Q:     The note about being penetrated by a plastic object, is it correct?

A:    No

Q:     [][][[]

A:     The writing is not legible but I never said to the doctor that I was penetrated by a plastic object.

Q:     The interview with Malaysiakini, you said it was the first time it happened, and that’s not correct?

A:    The incident that happened was the first time in my life that was done by AI.

Q:     Mumtaz, Ezam didn’t advise you to make a police report?

A:    No

Q:     Can you tell why?

A:     They were worried for my future as I am still young

MY:     I have no further questions, request witness be allowed to leave the witness stand, subject to recall

YA:     You may leave the witness stand, subject to recall

MY:     I would like to have a 2-min adjournment. I proposed the next witness to be called is the doctor.

KS:     Our expert need to be here, we need time to get them down here

[Parties discuss]

YA:     Stand down

[10:20 am]

[10:41 am]

MY, NH, KS, SN, PC, CV, Ram Karpal enter Judge’s chambers.

[10:55 am]

Parties exit from Judge’s chambers

Case adjourned to 2.15pm, for defense only to visit site.

[02:30 pm]

MY, NH, KS, PC, SN, RK enter Judge’s chambers

[02:40 pm]

Parties exit from Judge’s chambers

[02:42 pm]

JB: Case is recalled

MY: Parties as before

KS: Only tomorrow we can access to the condo at 2.30 pm. Suggest that we start at 3.30 pm to complete SP1 evidence.

MY: No objections

YA: Continuance tomorrow at 3.30 pm

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